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Ep7: Do we really need new prisons? In 2021 the government announced that it would dedicate £4 billion to building 20,000 new prison places. In this episode, Penelope and Rob are joined by Dr Kate Paradine, Chief Executive of Women in Prison and Nick Hardwick, Professor in Criminal Justice at Royal Holloway University of London to discuss why the government is expecting such an increase in the prison population and whether we need more prison places